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« on: June 15, 2012, 07:28:05 PM »

Any help?

I only get a chance to SAVE the One Touch button state, but how do I change its settings?

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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 07:38:55 PM »

Have you read the BK-7m_V106_Addendum.pdf? This came with the v1.06 update.

Have you updated your BK-7m to the latest OS? 1.06 added this ability.

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2012, 12:14:54 AM »

Hi Apparition,

what do you want to do?
OTS mean that you can have 4 different setting of your gear that are saved
on a style...
What you have to do is simple, edit all the sound of the Up and Lw parts, set
the other sound or drumset for a style, mute or change the balance of some
or all ACC tracks and if necessary change the default tempo of a style to make
a new User one and then save thesetting under the Key 1 to 4 to have your
personalized OTS. You have to check wich parameters are saved into the OTS
and that's all.

Without reading the manual and without trying to do tests with the gear you
will never progress on learning how to use your equipment.

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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2012, 12:23:51 AM »

Of course Diki!

The addendum more than anything says how to select and save (to USB) an OT register.   That is fine!
My question is not that.
It has to do with the assignments to each of the buttons.
Please try the following:
- Select BOSSA SAMBA 12 Guitar Samba
- Turn OFF Sync Start to avoid arranger to run.
- Press One Touch 1 - At the bottom line select LWR - It seems set to St.SoftEP
- Press Cursor BIG button to select LWR and shift to right to underline St.SoftEP
- Pres Cursor BIG button to go to tone selection. Change it to JP8000 Clav.
- EXIT.   You will see now JP8000 Clav. selected as the tone for LWR-   Play a little bit.  Effectively the selected Clav.  is the current tone for LWR
- Press One Touch 2 -Notice LWR tone changes to St.Soft EP and the Sync button is lit.  disable it to off.  Play a little at LWR.   Effectively the sound is now St.SoftEP
- Press One Touch 1 -Older selection JP8000Clav. is GONE!

The same thing will happen if you try to assign the other parts (MBS, UP1 and UP2 to each of the other OT selections...

So the question was:  HOW DO WE KEEP TONE SETTINGS before saving the supposedly NEW OT selections?

There is no explanation in addendum as to how the different OT selections are assigned their own MBS, LWR, UP1 and UP 2 selections.
It really is fuzzy.   Would you agree with me this time?
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2012, 12:33:45 AM »

Mike

You need to save the OTS settings one at a time.  As soon as you select another OTS you lose your changes (as with most programmable instruments I have ever used)

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2012, 12:39:34 AM »

Well....... Thanks Chris! Cool
I understand then I cannot have a new setting where ALL 4 OT selections have been changed.  Or am I mistaken again?

Confusion arises because each Rhythm Family selection replaces the 4 OT settings at once.

Or can I?    Huh  (You see?   Addendum Manual does not explain a bit the subject!)
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2012, 12:42:21 AM »

Hey Gvenuti!

Of course I read manuals, man!  Roll Eyes
And of course I try a lot.   If not I would have dumped this BK-7m under my bed three days ago! I would have said.... Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed
But Add. manual really says nothing except how to save the stuff, but does not explain you cannot save a style with all four OTs st as you want...

Thanks!

P.S.   Your explanation is what should be in the addendum.   I know I am dumb, but not that much.... Shocked

I still have one doubt:   Chris says I can only save one OT.   Your explanation seems to tell me I can save the four OTs into one style....

Where is it I am getting lost? Huh
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2012, 01:47:43 AM »

Yes... You can save four OTSs into one style BUT you need to save each OTS before you move onto the next one. The instant you press another OTS button it over-rides any unsaved changes.

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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2012, 06:18:49 AM »

Oh Thanks Chris and Gvenuti!
You made my day!   I was suspecting that was the only "weird" (to be noble) way of saving a new style with 4 fresh OTs!!!!! Tongue
Of course we cannot call this a "bug!...  Come on!   No,no,no...
It is not a "buggie"...   It is just part of finger exercise, Roland's courtesy!  And also is part of the strain test for the BIG button.
Thanks God the BIG button is rated for 16 million depressions.   So.... Why worry?

Seriously:   Could not the Addendum brilliant writer, add such a nice explanation as folks have given me here?

Oh yea!   We learn everyday!!!!! Shocked

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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2012, 10:28:18 AM »

Well, there is another and simple explanation...

You may not have experience with earlier Roland systems and
maybe that is the reason that you expect the manual to be
a guide for dummies. Sorry, but Roland manuals need often to
be read twice or more, from start to beginning and while trying.
(I remember the TWO fat manuals of the Roland EM-2000).

It is ofcourse very convenient if others rewrite manuals, but...

The G-70, E-50, E-60 and E-80 etc. are working the way like
setting up al the parameters/voices/effects you want and then
saving it to a userprogram OR in an OTS. Changing some or more
and saving it in the same OR another OTS setting or userprogram
and in many ways the procedure for the BK-7m is the same.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2012, 04:14:47 PM »

Well Willem:

I don't know who is the "dummy" here, and certainly I am not obliged to possess all kind of Roland Stuff to require a decent manual.

I also teach technical writing at a University and certainly Roland manuals would not get a C!

I suppose you also work with Roland, so please pass them my comment FROM A CLIENT!

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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2012, 04:47:16 PM »

Apparition,

I don't want to say that you are dumb, but only to say that we all have a different
background and are used to work with different kind of computer and programs and
Linux and Mac OS x are Unix derivate, PC are another kind of OS that even if is not
better that Linux or MAC they have 80% of the computer market and OS with the
instrument are another segment very different nd with a minimal confort.

For this reason I think that the node of the  problem is another and very simple...

The 4 OTS are saved into the Style at the end of it... and each OTS need about 1KB
but in the real Memory of the Instrument, there is place only for 1 OTS at time
ad this is also the reason because when you select the new OTS all the setting
that you previuosly edited are gone. It's just a problem of memory place.

Don't forget that more or less one OTS is similar to a User PRG. And the global
setting that you can activate and save with an UPS that save 144 PRG and 120
User Styles is also another thing that can create confusion...

With global setting you can decide how the split, arranger, style mode should
work and so... Please first decide how you want to work and then start to create
your Performances one after the other... all the parameters that you don't modify
the will be repeated from a UPR to the next one. An don't be surpriced if you
recall an UPR from Finder panel and stated that it don't work 100% like it does
within an UPS. Also when you create your UPS dont'forget to save your List...
Even if all seem to be there also after power off and on the keyboard or gear
then don't be supreised that all is gone after loading anoter UPS and recall the
previuos one that you don't have saved...

And if possible make regularly your backup on a PC or MAC... in the worst case
if all goes wrong and corrupted you can format the memory and restore a previous
backup... and you will be happy.

I have learn, in the last 30 years that I have to do with computer and music
equipment, that it's better 2 backup in the same day or week that only one each
year...

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2012, 06:50:20 PM »

Sorry, do not take this all so hot and personal!  Cry   Embarrassed

The thing is: "xyz for dummies", look it up, those are all
kind of (serious) books to make it easy to start with
whatever they write them for. So, it is not personal.

Do not present yourself being whatever, you are the
one who is asking help. You should do a small step back-
wards, that would be the correct attitude to get help
here. We are all just normal, helping people...

We want to help, but people should first do self serious
steps to read, check, re-read and recheck before asking.
Remember that what does not work directly, maybe
working for you a few days later after a few tries.

But we want to keep things friendly and organized here.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2012, 10:30:19 PM »

At this point I am unsubscribing from this forum.

I do appreciate those that came with the good intention to truly help.

I got to say, for a newbie I found the place very uncomfortable and "delicate".

Enjoy yourselves.


Bye now!
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2012, 09:44:55 AM »

Sorry that it did not work out well.
Pity to see you go.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2012, 12:30:14 PM »

I believe that Apparition was under the impression that this is a Roland-run forum. He has been nothing but antagonistic about the fact that the forum was not being run to HIS idea of how it should, and felt that he was entitled to insist because he spent $1000 on a BK-7m that HIS views and questions should be answered with more politeness than he posed them. In private correspondence, he questioned why we were not being more polite to a customer! 

Bad mistake.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2012, 01:09:32 PM »

Hmm, that explains a little bit, but not that much (to me).

He could know what to expect: http://roland-arranger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=26
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2012, 05:05:31 PM »

One thing I have learned in life is that there is no such thing as "the truth" or "the right way" regardless of almost any issue to disscuss between people. In a disscussion everybody will perceive all situation from his or her personal perspective.

I have read the above thread which resulted in a user leaving the forum. I will not be "the judge" - I never do so. As I have seen so many times before thing can get out of hand when people communicate only by words.

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The sad thing - in my opinion - is that even though everybody has a good intention, that (alone) will not always lead to the desired results. So the thing to adjust is "behaviour".

I encourage all users to pay special attention to the fact that written communication is a challenge. I know that people cope with challenges differently. However, my humble advise would be to:

1) be as tolerant as possible - regardless of the answer you get.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2012, 03:27:00 PM »

We may be tango-ing... but I'm afraid Apparition's dance was the goose-step.  Grin

He came in unfamiliar with his BK-7m, posted several (sometimes duplicated on multiple forums) noob questions, and was insistent that, even before anything had been shown to be a proper bug, that he be allowed to post it to the Bug forum, despite sticky 'Read Me First' posts that ask that only AFTER something is shown to be a bug that it gets posted there.

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