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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start

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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6430
I’ve been using an iPad for a while with OnSong to start my Bk9 sequencer by sending a start command. Just recently, the sequencer hasn’t been starting. I don’t remember changing any settings in the keyboard, but something must have changed. Does anyone know what setting I can look at to fix this issue?
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6431
I have no experience with OnSong. You could double-check your MIDI settings on the BK-9, perhaps they were changed by selecting a User Program created by someone else on a different instrument? But it isn't likely that the keyboard changed (at least not the hardware/firmware.)

Did your iPad undergo an update, or did you change your MIDI settings on the iPad? Is it possible that they were changed by another music program on the iPad??

Just guessing here. If you resolve the issue or find out the cause, please let us know.
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6432
Thanks for your thoughts Ted. The User area for settings in the BK are quite complicated, and once sorted and working, I tend to leave alone. The OnSong people are sincere but not that forthcoming with help. I send them files but the solutions they suggest never seem to work work. It’s really frustrating when something worked faultlessly, then overnight, stopped working.
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6433
That’s it USED to work is a good sign. Unless you have updated on song recently, the most likely culprit is a change to the system parameters in the MIDI pages in the BK9.

Go to Menu>MIDI>Edit System >Sync>Mode and doublecheck all is right.

You might also want to check whether you have inadvertently changed the MIDI Set.

Doublecheck OnSong is sending the Start command on the BK-9’s Basic Channel. (Mind you, I don’t think those are channel specific)

It USED to work! You haven’t updated your BK9, hopefully you haven’t updated on song, therefore there is no reason why you cannot get it to work again.

One thing I would DEFINITELY do after you do get it working though, is write down all of the settings in the MIDI pages. Unfortunately, the BK9 cannot store the midi and global parameters anywhere! They rectified this in the EA7, but your only option in the BK series is pen and paper LOL
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6434
Hi Diki - good advice as usual. You mentioned updates to OnSong. Well there have been plenty, and I can’t help thinking that this is the problem. Unfortunately, I’m not that sure if many others use OnSong the way that I do I.e. as a master midi controller running several external devices. I reset the BK9 yesterday to factory default, and it briefly worked, then stoped again. So I’m also wondering if there is sysex being sent as well. I’ll check and see that that is disabled. In this field of advanced midi programming, I find that most users are home based and don’t need to do the things I do. So it’s very hard to find advice specific to my needs. And the midi in the BK9 is difficult to understand just exactly what all the options are for and what their purpose is. I am retired and old, but I still play actively in public in a duo and need things to work correctly. Thanks again for the help and advice.
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6438
If the total extent of what you need OnSong to do is start the BK-9's sequencer, I'd look for an option in OnSong to filter the transmission of sysex, that ought to solve that issue if it is one. And if you are using OnSong to call up the Performances, those aren't sysex, if I remember correctly, just CC32/00/PC# codes, so sysex filtering shouldn't affect that either.

You can't call up MIDI Sets remotely, only calling up a Performance with a different MIDI Set enabled does that, so that's one less thing to worry about.

If you have some kind of MIDI inspector program, it might be instructive to record the output of the OnSong file and tale a gander at what is being sent.

I'm a little curious as to why you would want to start the BK-9 from OnSong rather than the far more conveniently placed Start button on the BK9, though... it's less of a jump back to the keyboard from there rather than from wherever you have your iPad.
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6443
Strange, I replied yesterday but the posting never appeared.

OnSong does more than just start the sequencer. It is my master midi controller. Because I use mostly midi files, I need the lyrics in OnSong to scroll correctly in time with the midi file. So when the sequencer starts, On Songs autoscroll is supposed to start at the same time. This is what used to happen. Now when I press the scroll button in OnSong, scrolling starts but the sequencer doesn't.
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Sorry your post got lost. Theres a 'feature' :whistle: of the forum software that tends to log you out of the system if you take a long time to create a post, so I get into the habit of doing a 'Copy All' before I submit the post in case it vanishes into the ether!

You know that OnSong can play the whole sequence for you, do you? Rather than having the iPad simply start the sequencer in the BK9, you can import the sequence to the iPad, and have the sequence itself play from OnSong... Add to that you can start each sequence off with the codes that call up your Performance for the song (with all your keyboard sounds ready to go) and you can turn each OnSong entry into the total solution for everything.

On the other hand, I use a different solution... I simply use the BK9's screen for lyric display! If you need a much larger display, there is an RCA output which can drive a variety of displays from little $50 LCD's to sending to a video distribution system for a congregation or band. Personally, for me, I think the audience seeing one read off of a screen kind of diminishes the performer a bit, and the tiny screen on the BK-9 tends to disguise your reading it (there's no laptop or screen for them to easily see what's on it), but nowadays I admit it a lot more common to see that than back in the day.... There is a wide variety of software for Mac and Windows that can embed lyrics into SMF's and MP3's and display them in sync.

OnSong does however offer the advantage of being able to link Style play with lyrics, which was a feature common on other brands that Roland stubbornly refused to implement despite nearly 30 years of users begging for it!

Something you said confuses me... You said "when I press the scroll button in OnSong, scrolling starts but the sequencer doesn't". Does this mean that you are pressing 'Scroll' in OnSong and not 'Start' (or 'Play')? A possible problem might be that OnSong no longer sends a 'Start' command when 'Scroll' is pressed (or needs to be set up that way after an update). Have you looked into that?

One of the main things I do when something no longer works that USED to work is try VERY hard to remember everything I did to the system (both controller and slave) since the last time it did work. Did I software update one or the other or both? Did I work on either in an unfamiliar or new computer setup? Have I worked on the BK9 using a DAW or external sequencer and did I change anything to get that to work? This will often suggest an area of inquiry in both systems.

Case in point is I often work with different DAW's (Reaper, Cubase, ProTools etc.) and each of them often needs different sync and start and MIDI Thru settings to avoid MIDI loops or the style section starting when the DAW does. Have you used your BK9 like that since the system used to work?

Alternatively, you may have forgotten an OnSong parameter you changed to get the Start to work before an update, and the update may have returned those settings to default (that you had to change in the previous version). I know we are supposed to live in a paperless world, but I often find writing down my system settings (or create a text file if you want to stay paperless!) a good way to remind me if, in years to come, I have to update something or change software. And with the BK-9's inability to store System and Global settings any way at all, paper or a computer text file is your ONLY option.

Keep at it! I am sure you have merely got a parameter changed somewhere inadvertently. There honestly is no reports of any systemic BK9 bugs in this area (unless YOU updated the BK9's OS which would wipe out all your System, Global and MIDI Set parameters) so I wouldn't worry about that end of things.

In the meanwhile, you might bone up on how OnSong can transmit the entire SMF rather than simply start the one in the BK9. That may turn out to be a more total solution in the long run, as it will keep all resources for a song together in the same place and device.
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6452
Diki said:
“You know that OnSong can play the whole sequence for you, do you? Rather than having the iPad simply start the sequencer in the BK9, you can import the sequence to the iPad, and have the sequence itself play from OnSong... Add to that you can start each sequence off with the codes that call up your Performance for the song (with all your keyboard sounds ready to go) and you can turn each OnSong entry into the total solution for everything.”

Is this where you record a midi file and convert it into a wav using the BK? If not, can you you explain what you mean
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6453
I don’t use on song myself, I am not a fan of any device the audience can see me reading off LOL. So I think that your best information should come from the on song forum itself. But, long story short, you can import an SMF into the iPad, link it to an on song entry, and have the iPad play the SMF rather than the BK9.

So you could take all of the sequences from the ‘My Songs’ folder and import them to the iPad.

Also, the BK9 manual details how to structure a midi code that calls up each entry numerically from the performance list. With a midi editor or DAW, you can insert this code at the very beginning of every sequence. This way, calling up the on song entry automatically sends the code to the BK-9 that calls up the performance. An important thing to note, however, is that the performance is called up numerically, not by name. This means that you must not reorder your performance list in anyway, but simply continue to add to it as you add more songs. If you re-order the list in anyway, the on song codes will call up the wrong song.
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6455
I’ve been using OnSong to call up BK performances for quite some time. Finally, it’s started working. The latest beta update from OnSong say that they have the midi note start fixed, and now the sequencer starts. After complaining and not being acknowledged for over a year, this beta update quietly comes along and the problem is fixed. I tried to tell them months ago that there was a problem, but they mostly ignored me. Very distressing when emails are ignored and there is no acknowledgement of a fault. Makes a person feel cheap and that the problem is not the developers, but their own, the users, fault.
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6461
I highly recommend some kind of MIDI analysis software. I use a Mac program called MIDIkit. But there are plenty out there, to look at the raw MIDI data stream.

Often, when you are discussing problems with a developer or someone else with a problem, being able to show them the raw codes and point out to them what is wrong will get you a lot further down the road than just being a squeaky wheel!

Particularly when you are dealing with complex MIDI chains, and different software and hardware, these types of programs can help track down some pretty thorny issues!
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6462
Thanks Diki. I used to be on the old forum, but haven’t used this one much. I don’t know, but my focus has shifted from the BK 9 and my duo, to a solo act using a digital guitar. So I haven’t visited this site much lately. Always good advice here. Thanks so much for what you have suggested.
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Give some further thought to centralizing all your backing using OnSong...

One of the benefits might be to be able to simply record to audio all your BK-9 sequences and then have OnSong play them. If you are moving away from the BK-9, this will allow you to still have the excellent sounds and your presumably labored over mixes, without even needing the arranger on the gig. Plus, it is a handy backup in the event of some kind of malfunction or forgetting the USB stick (don’t laugh, I’ve done it before!).

OnSong also offers the possibility of dropping Markers into the file, allowing you to restructure the song as needed, like Mark/Jump can for SMF’s in the BK-9.

The thought of having ones backing independent of whatever one plays is tempting, especially for a musician that plays a variety of setups and instruments. For me, my BK-9 pretty much covers all the bases, but if I still gigged on a variety of rigs, I’d be seriously tempted to go the OnSong route.
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BK-9 sequencer won’t auto start #6464
Thanks again for your thoughtS Diki. I’m just not prepared to put any extra time into the BK9. Converting all my midis into audio files is just not worth the time involved. As I said earlier on, my focus is more on my solo work with my digital guitar nowadays. Great to have your input all the same.
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