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Creating song lyrics and chords files

5 months 6 days ago
Mitzie
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #576
Is there a 'work around' to create ones own lyrics with chord symbol files for displaying on Roland keyboards. ?

I know that midi and mp3 songs with embed lyrics can be displayed (karaoke) on internal and external screens, but is it possible to simply create song lyrics with cord symbols only on a pc to load into the keyboard? Or would it be simpler to create these as pdf files and read them from a tablet/ipad

As I want to create my own accompaniments and just sing and play along

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5 months 5 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #577
I use an iPad running OnSong connected to my BK-9 using the CCK. I set up a monitor nearby which is plugged into an Apple TV, which is in turn connected to my wireless network. OnSong has a projection mode which projects to the monitor via the wireless network through the Apple TV displaying the lyrics for people to see. You can also project to a screen using a data projector. I control the iPad using a Bluetooth foot pedal. It’s more complicated than what you are talking about, but is very reliable and stable. Works well.
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #584
BK-7m cannot display lyrics internally (tiny screen!), only on external devices like a TV LCD screen (via RCA cable) or using the Roland iPad Lyrics Viewer app (via USB).

There are several PC and Mac programs for embedding lyrics into SMF's and MP3's (you can't embed lyrics into a .WAV file). On a Mac, I use QMIDI.

But Grammy is right, if you already have a laptop or iPad that you want to use, a program like OnSong offers far more functionality if connected via USB than Roland's internal display system. For starters, it can display PDF scans of sheet music, so you can read straight off the music. Secondly, you can display lyrics even for arranger mode, whereas the Roland's system can only display lyrics for SMF's and MP3's.

And OnSong (and several other display apps) can send MIDI codes to call up the Performance you have already set up for the song. So all you have to do is call up the song on the iPad/tablet, and the BK will automatically switch to the correct Performance.

The problem with trying to display chords AND lyrics on the small BK series screens is that you don't get to see much at a time, two or three lines tops. I use the BK-9's screen for lyrics because it has two screens, so I can still see what is going on other than the lyrics, but I don't think I would if I was trying to display chords as well.

My recommendation would be an iPad running OnSong (you can use a Mini if you don't want a big display in front of you). Or just stick to lyrics (and forget about style mode!).

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5 months 5 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #589
OnSong has a couple of options when displaying lyrics in projection mode. The first is lyrics only and is intended for an audience to sing along to. The second is an exact mirror of the iPad screen in which chords as well as lyrics are displayed. This is intended for other musicians to play along with. The only downside is that it shows up in portrait mode on a landscape oriented screen. However, if the other musicians have an iPad also running OnSong, then your iPad can act as a master linking all other iPads that are connected to the same wireless network. When I’m out playing at a gig or in church, I use the projection aspects to display lyrics for others to sing along. I take a wireless router with me as well as the Apple TV. The great advantage to this is that I control the lyrics directly from OnSong and a laptop (as required in church) with another person running it is not required for lyrics.

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5 months 4 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #593
Maybe it would help if Mitzie said what kind of tablet/iPad he has?

I'm not sure it's worth going out and buying one JUST for this function, but if you already have one, and don't mind having it in front of you if you perform in public (I'm old school, and don't really like my audience to be able to easily see I'm reading!), they can sure make having hundreds or thousands of lyrics, charts or fake books easily available without a room full of books!

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5 months 4 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #594
I've never owned a tablet/ipad but I was just exploring the options DIKI to find out what would best suit my needs should I buy one. My thanks for everybody's comments. - I'm learning !

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5 months 2 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #600
Do you gig, play out professionally?

If you already use fakebooks or lyrics sheets on the job, a tablet/iPad will massively reduce how much you have to haul around, how long you take to get ready for the next song, and the convenience of calling up the sheet and the Performance at the same time is a killer plus.

But if you play at home, and can take the time between songs to find your lyrics sheet or fakebook and set it up on the music bench, it isn't such a big deal...

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3 weeks 2 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #1155
I now have an EA7, and the biggest problem I have is that it does not display text files. Is it possible to use the program mentioned to do this? I would prefer Android, since I have several.
Diki, as you know, I do this full time for a living. Love the sounds and styles, but find it difficult to select a performance on the kb and then, if I don't know the lyrics, pull them up from PC or tablet.
Thanks!

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3 weeks 2 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #1200
It's pretty much the same thing across all the BK and E-A7...

You need a program like OnSong etc that can send a MIDI PC/32/00 code to the arranger. Then, rather than selecting the Performance from the arranger, you select the song you want to do from the tablet/iPad etc. and it sends the code to the arranger (via a USB cable).

But... You are somewhat up against it having got rid of the BK-9 and went with the E-A7, Don. The BK series has a 999 size Performance List, the E-A7's is only 100 entries long. So, once you exceed the 100 song limit, you are going to have to make sure you have the correct Performance List loaded before you call the song's lyrics up on the tablet. Or the wrong Performance is going to load.

Fell free to bitch Roland's ear off for this lunatic design decision... :evil:

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1 week 6 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #1519
Thanks Diki,
Actually I only have about 50 Performances set up so far, as many can be used for more than one song. I also have a list of song names and style numbers, so I can easily use Numeric to pull up appropriate styles in many cases.
After the holidays I will check out OnSong.
There is a lot to like about the EA7. The BK9 for some reason didn't suit me as well, but I may give it another try if one comes up. I'm hoping Roland will finally come up with a new TOTL arranger soon. I do love the size and weight of the EA7, and prefer the light touch.
I still have Korg PA4X, which is hard to beat. I tried to use PA1000, and I'm sure it would have been fine if I didn't already have the 4x! So the 1000 is on the market.
Right now I leave the Roland set up at my regular job, and the PA4X in my portable rig for extra parties. That would seem to not make sense, but the 4X is self-contained and actually has a little smaller footprint than the Roland, because of lack of speakers. I can use a headset mic, and two powered speakers and a stand and that's all I have to move.
With the EA7, I use an external vocal processor/harmonizer, a laptop for text, and a mixer to pull all of it together. Setup time is quite a bit longer with all that.

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1 week 6 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #2756
I can imagine, if you are going old school arranger mode to do your gigs that the E-A7 offers some things the BK-9 lacks, but I always felt that they were implemented so badly that it was less of an improvement than it should be. The lack of content for the multipads is high on my list of gripes. Compared to even a budget Yamaha or Korg, it's a pathetic attempt...

I also use an external VH (a TC VK-Perform) but not for VH... I really like the comp/eq/de-esser, and use it mostly for tempo-tapped delay. But the BK-9's mic in means I don't need an external mixer, so that's less set-up!

I honestly can't stand using an arranger without a Chord Sequencer. If you use the bender a lot (I know you do for those guitar solos on the Korg!) I can't understand how the E-A7 is any better than the BK-9!

But the thing that confounds me the most when I read of many of you over at SZ using multiple brands as backup is, why do you want to have to rework your entire setlist to use different styles, lead sounds etc., when simply buying another unit of what you already have gives you backup without effort? Simply copy the data...

I have two BK-9's. If I need backup, it's ready to go with a copy of my data in it (and another stick on my keychain!) and no need to completely re-do my work. If I have to leave the BK-9 at a gig and go and do another, no problem. I run a main songlist of 400 odd tunes, all with carefully crafted Performances. The idea of buying say a Yamaha and having to do ALL that work again (and set up every new song on different keyboards doubling the work) just strikes me as crazy!

Simply having to remember two different sets of Intros and Endings for each song would be confusing enough!

Maybe you get bored with the setups you have, and buy another brand for variety, but in truth, you could probably find a different (maybe a conversion) style and lead sounds and get the variety without losing the ability to do it your usual way if you wanted (which you sure can't if using another brand!).

In your situation, maybe unwilling to buy two high priced PA4X's, I would have thought the PA1000 would have done the trick, being mostly style compatible (and a similar OS) and would have slashed the effort to have a usable backup.

For me, at least, time spent duplicating work already done on a different brand arranger is time not spent learning new tunes and preparing setups on the one...

And don't worry. Once Donny's initial gushing is over, he'll be back to another PSR and you can buy his BK-9 if you want! Then you'll have the 1000 entry Performance List and a proper Chord Sequencer again! B)

Happy Holidays to you and all over at SZ!

(BTW, pop over to my Happy Thanksgiving post, and give me a critique on my tune posted there, I'd like your views on my guitar emulation. You always have such a deft touch doing that!)

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1 week 6 days ago
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Creating song lyrics and chords files #2758
Yes, that's exactly why I got the PA1000, but it just doesn't quite measure up after hearing the 4X.
And you are also right about wanting some variety. Five nights a week for 50 years can be stifling in some ways.
I already had much of the work done because I had a G70, E80, Bk7m and briefly had both BK9 and EA7.
I think I'm good for now, after I sell the PA1000, but always open to something new and improved!
My next step will be finding or creating some Pads for the EA7. Nothing much usable in there.
Gotta go to work now!
Thanks!
Don

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